Published: Aug. 9, 2016
Terry Kleeman: Celestial Masters: History and Ritual in Early Daoist Communities

CU 羞羞视频 Religious Studies professor and CAS board member Terry Kleeman is a leading scholar on Taoism, China's only native religion.聽His recent book, "Celestial Masters: History and Ritual in Early Daoist Communities" is the first work published in a Western language on the founding of Taoism. Here's an excerpt from Kleeman's聽interview with New York Times columnist Ian Johnson:

"What is Taoism?

The word Taoism is horribly vexed because it has to translate two Chinese terms: 鈥渄aojiao鈥 and 鈥渄aojia.鈥 鈥淒aojiao鈥 is the religion Taoism, while 鈥渄aojia鈥 refers to philosophical works associated with聽Laozi聽and聽Zhuangzi, such as the Daodejing.

The two are not really that closely related. Taoist priests don鈥檛 carry around copies of the Daodejing, and that work has little to do with what they teach. They teach a set of rules and morality, but you鈥檒l find little morality in the Daodejing.

Many people, especially in the West, think of Taoism as going with the flow, getting back to nature and so on.

Taoism, the religion, really has the same value structure as any other Chinese religion. It is full of very detailed codes of conduct that everyone has to observe. I think of Taoists as Confucians of the other world. Confucians deal with this world. They send petitions and documents to the emperor. Taoists do the same thing, but to the other world. But the structures and bureaucracy are very similar.

How many people believe in Taoism today?

This is a very difficult question, because for centuries Taoism did not have lay members. This is true for Buddhism as well. The only 鈥淏uddhists鈥 were Buddhist monks and the only 鈥淭aoists鈥 were Taoist priests. Temples were run by committees, and they used monks and priests as needed for certain ceremonies."

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